robby i dont think u belive in anything. that tells you you have to quit, na all you had to do was take what you needed and leave the rest behind, NA saved me almost 5 yrs sober, i took what i needed from it, how can you say sober people and people trying to recover are full of shyt? nobody or any 1 program is gonna tell u what u wanna hear, denial just anit a river in egypt. monne