Evensteven3 wrote:
What the poster might think they are being subtle about , or even are legitimately unaware of , becomes glaringly obvious after a couple of hundred posts.  If someone is out of line or i detect bs i`m not inclined to baby them. That includes other members.




Has it occurred to you that perhaps "other posters" may have a geniune belief or opinion that doesnt concur with yours? 

Does that make their opinion disingenuine or bs as you put it? Does that mean that their opinion should be ridiculed?

Who annointed you as judge jury and executioner? 


I constantly put my hand up for failing to understand or fully comprehend a lot of the loved ones perspective. I admit that. Why dont I think I have a full grasp of that perspective- because I am not one. I am learning? Well I think so. 

Do I think that a persons addiction can be negatively or positively effected by loved ones- in some cases damn straight I do. You disagree with this. I dont ridacule you for this- in fact I try and learn from your perspective.

If you cant or dont want to try and see what I or others are saying ( whether you think its from a hidden agenda viewpoint or ignorance or BS or whatever), then there isnt a lot I can do.

I get the feeling that you want to shut down any "discussion" as quickly as possible that doesnt accord with your beliefs- whether its a discussion of the virtues of 12 step or otherwise or  discussing the three C's etc etc etc and that doesnt help anyone

. So, lets stop talking in riddles and discuss the viewpoints that you find so abhorrent to call BS- Im all ears and not so rigid in my beliefs to learn otherwise. Are you?