One more thing and my little lecture will be over as far as Loved ones vs addicts and the splitting of the boards. I am so so against that if anything should get taken to the off topic it is the he said this she started that no one likes me everyone is ganging up on me bs and leave this board open for recovery for both addicts and co-dependents(this is the term I will now use for "loved ones" because after all loved ones makes it sound like they are blameless and problem free and they would not be here if that were the case)