Release, I am not trying to play anyone. I think players often think everyone else is out to play them or somebody else. Not the case here.

And as for rhetoric seems like you are the one using that as when I asked you to explain manipulation you seemed to dance around it and accuse me of using faltly logic. Still waiting for your definition, and if its simply the use of falty logic, well I will accept that as how you define it, though I do not think many others definine it that way.As for the rest, its real, real, real simple to me. Christ can change somebody hell bent on their own destruction without any prior ok from them. He did it for Paul and He can do it for her. I will keep praying for her, praying for me for wisdom and love and peace, and look to Him to give the latter three and Hope that He will help her even though she opposes herself. Actually I hope that for alot of people I know who oppose themselves...thank God He is not bound to their puny wills (nor mine) and He can change someone's heart and give them the mind of Christ. I also am not given up on anyone I know is lost, at least not till they are dead. He saves the lost, not complicated in that it is the lost, not kinda sorta need the GPS and they will be ok but the lost.

And I am a simple person, try to take the Book for what it says. I did not make it up, but I hope I believe more and more of it everyday. There is hope for the lost in Him of who the volume of the book speaks. If you don't believe you need Him, there is hope that He will show you your need and free you too....in spite of you and in spite of me, He saves...

And as for worrying about her, the worry is mostly gone, replaced more and more by peace from Him.