also how to get over someone that does meth? how to make the pain just stop. im a very caring person and my heart just feels like it will explode....thanks
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I have been with my boyfriend for a year and 3 months ago he moved in with me. I started noticing strange things happening and felt a nagging feeling that
something was wrong. I already knew he smoked weed and how he pretty much behaved on it. But when he moved in i noticed strange things happening. First he
would stay in the bathroom for long periods of time, like 4 hours in and out. Than id find him on the internet in the living room for hours on end, until like
6am, this is after he got on like at 11pm. at first i just thought that he wasnt tired and was interested in the computer. one day i found a pipe with a bubble
on the end. Ive never done drugs, not even weed, so i wasnt sure what it was. i asked him about it and he said it was for weed. i dismissed it and thought
okay. The second time i walked in the bathroom and found him taking a bath, and there was a normal looking weed pipe that i knew was for weed and also that
same other one. i asked him again and he said he used it to vaporize the weed. I got suspicious and looked at it and he got very angry with me and said that i
didnt trust him and that i was paranoid person. as time went on he would make those trips to the bathroom off and on. And when i mean trips, i mean he would
stay quite awhile saying that his stomach hurt. he than started losing his temper and said it was beause he ouldnt stand talking. i talk but not to the point
of giving someone an anxiety attack or something. One time he was trippin out and said his heart was beating super fast and it was beause we were having
problems. I decided to talk less and be extra nice, hoping this would help, i also decided to believe he was not using anything. Well he became a bit strange
at times. he'd be upset about something and than go into the bathroom and come out fine. he swore up and down he was not doing anything and that i was the
one causing the problems. one day he told me that he had smoked meth a year ago, from june 08, and that the effects of the withdrawl where still there. i felt
sad, devasted, among other things. i decided to support him and stay with him. he also told me that to get off of meth, he went to some site that prescribed
some medication, one being Aderall, which i know is part of the methamphetamines group, and is given for ADHD. so he said he was getting off that and that is
why he was acting like this. i asked him about that pipe and he said he kept it around to give him "strong will", that the medication made him feel
that way. well he started making trips to the bathroom again with lighters and no ciggareetess or weed. i became suspicious again, and he denied it vigoursly,
and in the end i felt like the bad one. than last week i found the pipe and inside with a little ziplock bag with a little rock of speed. in the bathroom
under the sink, hiding atop next to a bolt.i asked him about it and he said i was crazy and that he had put it in the bathroom, awhile ago when he was in his
"have strongwill stage". he said he completley forgot it was there, and that i make him want to do meth because i talk about it. the thing is, is
that i found it there hiding with meth inside a little bag. i told him that all the times i had seen the pipe there was nothing inside and if he had hid it
back than why was there now something inside. he called me a liar and than he went into the bathroom and smashed his pipe. after than he returned to the
bathrrom and i saw a creditcard with him and heard through the door as if he was smashing something. he appeared a little later with a runny nose. now i had
seen him smashing the pipe but had not seen what happened to the baggie. when i asked him he blew up at me again and said that he was going to break up with me
because i was not good for his head and that i didnt trust him. one last thing is that about 2 weeks ago he left the house around 2:40 am and said that he went
to meet someone, for weed and that they had took his money without giving it to him. after that he went into the bathroom and stayed up all night. the way he
acts when on it, is very calm and focused. today he told me he was leaving me beause i wasnt good for his head and that i made him think about meth because i
dont trust him. he acted very cold. than he smoked weed, than he still seemed off, he had slept the night before for like 15 hours, well shortly after he took
20 bucks and left. i dont know what to think. he isnt very social in general, and i know he isnt cheating and he doesnt party or drink. his mood doesnt
flucatuate that much, and i probably would have never thought anything if it wasnt for all the bathroom trips and pipe and little baggie i found. i was very
kind and supportive towards him. i said id help him and do anything for him. i feel upset that he has not come clean.i cant get over the pipe and baggie i
found or else id probably believe he was clean.. the thing is that i looked a week before i found it, in the same exact spot and never saw anything, and he
said he had put it there months ago, when he first moved.in. would someone tryimg to get over meth really hide it and forget about it, within one month? and if
he hasnt dont it since last year why would he have the pipe and rock? and he says its because the medication, the Aderell and two other perscription drugs
similar to that made him feel like having the "strong will" and staring at to feel like he wouldnt do it. im writing beause i feel lost and so very
sad. he is 22 and in university to be a lawyer. i feel sick inside and cant believe what i am seeing. are these actions of a meth user or am i at fault? did i
provoke him because he was stressed out? i dont know how to get over this because i love him very much and was sure he was the one. he wasnot like this at
first , well when we werent living together, but he would sometime be really spaced out, or really sleepy. i dont know what to think. in the end he left me and
i feel so bad inside that he took that step when i was trying to help him. all he kept saying was " i cant stay with someone who thinks i do speed when i
dont". but i just found this pipe with speed last week. i dont understand why he wouldnt just tell me the truth. i would have been there for him. i feel
so stuck and emotionally drained and i cant help feeling guilty like making he didnt do it and im the crazy one. lastly is it possible to be with someone who
is battling a meth habit? it seems that his care grows less everyday. i ve read about meth but he doesnt exhibit all the signs, so im very confused. please
anyone let me know what you think of these things about his behaviors and why wont he just tell me.
also how to get over someone that does meth? how to make the pain just stop. im a very caring person and my heart just feels like it will explode....thanks |
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Sam - I'm sorry you are having this experience.
I would guess that if you found the bag and pipe there and it had not been there before it is in fact recent and it sounds like he is still using meth. In fact the bathroom trips, the blaming of you and the attacking you and saying you are the reason for him to do drugs of any kind is just an excuse for him to use and get you to leave him alone. It is a tragic fact that no matter how much someone like you feels for someone like him he has a problem that he alone needs to handle. You can care for him but you cannot change or fix him. It would be safest and best if you let him go and find his way through this. At some point he may choose recovery but it does not sound like he is close to realizing that he may have a problem as he is displacing any problems off onto you and other things like ADD / ADHD. Please stick around and read the threads here. There is a lot of information and history. Many people here have been touched by the pain of loving someone addicted to this terrible drug. The best advice and hardest to follow will be to let go of him emotionally and phsyically and concentrate on yourself and the things in your life that you have been neglecting due to trying to care for him - someone who is obviously not capable at this time of being a partner to you. Fill your life with appointments / plans - things to do with friends or for yourself - take a class you wanted to take or go to the gym or volunteer somewhere. Reach out to other people to help with the loneliness you feel now that he is gone. I will tell you from personal experience - it is horrifying to watch someone self destruct and as they are doing so they take chunks of your heart and soul with them - chunks you cannot get back and that you give thinking it will make a difference and save them or change them - it doesn't - you just self destruct alongside of them. I wish I could give you a hug. You are not alone. There are many people here, men and women, who have watched and waited for a husband, a wife, a daughter, a son, to come out the other side of meth hell. You are not alone. Logolove
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If he is using meth he will not come clean with you for one major reason....he's not ready to stop using. If he admits he is using he would have to become
responsible, and that means to do the right thing and quit.
It doesnt take all the signs of using to figure it out...only one good one...the fact that you found his pipe and some dope. If he is using, he's not done yet. It's up to you to decide what you do with the answer of whether he's using or not. I am an addict in recovery. I know first hand that no one forced me to use drugs and no one can force me to stop either. I had to want to. Only addicts who want to recover do so. If he is using and doesnt admit it...he is not interested in recovery at this point. I would deny and lie over and over and to whom ever I needed to so that I could continue to use and attempt not to face the consequences. It's fairly easy to know when someone is an addict and wants recovery. It shows in how they live. An addict in recovery is a changed person....not someone who is behaving suspiciously. Addicts in recovery do not keep pipes and dope around. And the addicts in recovery that I know dont use any mind or mood altering drugs (including alcohol)and certainly no illegal drugs. Sure will be a rough road trying to be an attorney while attempting to maintain illegal drug use. Addiction is progressive. So if he is an addict it will come out eventually. Some one will know....addicts caught up in active addiction hurt people. I know I used the lie "I'm not hurting anyone but myself" all too often. I even believed it....sort of....enough to justify my next fix. Are you willing to let him hurt you?....oh yeah....he already has. You may not know this so let me tell you, using drugs is a symptom of deeper lying issues. Drugs may appear to be his problem...that's only on the surface and proof that there are underlying issues. Recovery isn't about staying clean from drugs....it's about healing and growth from within. It takes courage, strength and guidance to truly recover from active addiction. First thing is first....the addict has to decide and accept themselves as an addict. Those who want recovery as bad as they wanted to use do recover. Peace, Missybuns |
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thank you. its 4am and he just left and u didnt ask why becasue pathetic me thinks that by submitting and staying silent i will help him. i feel sick with
worry and my heart feels like it will burst. i love him more than anything and the worst part is that he is ruining himself, such potentioal. and that makes my
heart hurt like nothing i have felt... he told me today that it is him and that he cant handle emotion whatsever, that his mind is fragile to issues and
emotions... i feel so sick inside. i cant eat or sleep. my life was not like this before.. i dont know how to let him go. the ironic thing is that he is the
one that wants to break up, and he says its beause he isnt doing well now. but all he ever says is that its the emotions that make him feel bad. i keep feeling
that maybe i am wrong, that maybe he was just putting the pipe there for some other reason. he swears up and down that he is not, and says he is leaving beause
i think that. i feel as i am to blame..if i had just let it be...no? i was in shock... i never seen this stuff,,ever. i am a psyhcology/humanites major and i
cant get a grip. i cant see clearly and all i can do is look back and think that it was me who nagged too much, or was too emotional in general beause i know i
am an emotional person...
i dont understand why he wouldnt tell me if he said he did it last year and quit. why wouldnt he just told me he relaspsed. i told him if he did i would be there for him and never leave him. all the arguments are about the suspiioun of the meth.. but i found it under the sink and i know for certain he said he smashed it. but he said he never said that. and i asked him why was there rock inside and he said he went and got it to look at it for strong will so he wouldnt do that. he said that the medication he was taking to get off meth made him feel like doing that. i dont get why he wouldnt just tell me he relasped if he told me he used it last year. i dont understand. i feel as though maybe my personality, im very warm, compassionate but very emotional, made him relapse.. is that possible? i just ant bear the thought of losing him.. he doesnt treat me bad or crazy with me. the main thing he does is ignore in general, meaning he gets into things and is oblivious to everything around him. for example if he is on the internet he will not look away if i talk to him. and this annoys and hurts me. very unattentive. i feel so tired, confused, broken, surreal.. howver pathetic it sounds i feel like i cant live without him... i feel like i can do somthing or could have done something if i had been different. he asked me many times not to nagg him, and said it hurt his brain. he just always said it was beause he was fragile from stress. but his behaviors were strange. i ccould have ignored it, but i just couldnt look the other way. i was scared for him. are there different levels of meth use or addicition, or is it all the same. is it very hard to recover from and be okay again? how long does that take...? your reply to my post was really great...it brought tears to my eyes... i felt you understood so thank you. |
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Sam,
I am so sorry. I feel your pain. I have come to learn that nagging him is NOT the path to take. IT will only cause him to draw further away from you and cause you to continue to blame yourself. (What if I wouldn't have nagged, etc) It is only human to see someone you love so much go through a "destroying" period and want to help. The BIG thing here is "how can you help?" Nagging wont do the trick........I think all of us loved ones have gone through that stage. As he is using and pushing you away.......you feel hopeless and anxious..........this repeated process causes YOU to become sick. The best way I know for YOU to HELP him is to find a local Al-anon in your area. I know this sounds dumb...........it did to me too for years........my thoughts were "Why do I need to go seek a group..........he is the one who has the problem?" I waited and waited and then one day I finally went. I can't tell you how much that group has helped me. Once I started to see things a different way............I was better and then in return I was better able to help my addict" Don't make the same mistake I did..............go NOW find one today and GO and see for yourself if it works for you. I will be keeping you in my prayers, Katie |
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Good morning Sam - I got your PM and read your post above and I am going to reply here.
I am glad you felt understood. You are. And I am certainly not the only one here that understands - many many may people have trudged the road you are on and I am only ahead of you by about two or three years. I say ahead of you by that much you see because I have been in love with a man that uses meth for four years now. The first year, year and a half I just thought he had hit a bad patch in his life and of course I would see him through it, I was in love, and he has so much ability and he is fun and funny, and I think (short fat bald guy looking much older than he is) he is sexy as hell, smart, self employed - when he isn't distracted, emotionally unavailable, rude and distancing - and we are soooo great together and we were meant to be. You see I really believed this and I would tell it to people openly. I found the love of my life, an addict. I'd have packed up my life and followed him to Antartica if he had said let's go. Slowly over time and then quickly his treatment of me disintegrated - I was with him physically but I was alone. He didn't talk to me - he was focused on other things and never accomplishing anything he set out to do, despite his big promises - they were always followed with excuses - primarily blaming other people for his situation. He had all sorts of projects that still sit in his home and yard half done - in fact his beautiful home came to look like Sanford and Son's place - I mean a real junk yard. Now mind you it was beautiful in the beginning... And I moved in and cooked and cleaned and played wife but as he distanced himself inside of the relationship I quit doing so much and I moved to my own home. But we were stil a full time couple - only now I stopped cleaning his house and guess what - it didn't get cleaned - I mean this his house, his bathroom did not get cleaned for a year and a half. (I'm nt even able to give you the full picture here - there is just too much to tell)... So for a year almost after I move out but live exactly 2 minutes down the road - he gets worse and worse and I am to blame for everything from how the bag of charcoal from the store is messy, to the fact that while raising two kids and running my own company and my own home I cannot keep his clean too - (but what is he doing that keeps him too busy to handle the most mundane of tasks) and a enormous litany of what is wrong with me and that I am an effin B and an effin C and I make him call me that by the way because I am an unreasonable B and so the bad treatment I receive is my fault. (Okay - this is where I am supposed to say - get a life creep and walk away - dignity intact and self held higher than the ravings of an obviously selfish nut job) ahhhhh but no - I am going to prove to him he is wrong and help him ... I will show him the error of his ways and he will be soooooo full of gratitude and shame for he has treated me and life will be wonderful again......(I don't know about the meth yet and so this goes on for a year.) I found out about the meth on November 5th 2007. And life got so wonderful with him that on December 22 2007 he physically hurt me and let me tell you - it is far less than what may women here have suffered in terms of physical abuse but it gave me bruises that were so deep they lasted over a month. I went to the police and in fact next week I will be interviewed by the DA's office as the following week the trial starts. Meantime I have still been involved with helping him - he has made two trips courtesy of the cops to the nuthouse for a 72 hour hold and evaluation where it was determined he needed to stay for up to two weeks. He has just had two or three other people file restraining orders against him for harassment ad threats, he has lost every last friend he had, alienated a loving an extended family, lost all his clients - basically has not worked since December - wasn't working much beforehand anyway. He is completely delusional and thinks people are out to kill him and that he is a billionaire but his family won't give him the money, the construction at the neighbors is so they can build a room with a window facing his door or his slider or his Mom's front door so someone can take a shot at him with a rifle. On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on - oh and if you don't understand that, I mean and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on - someone in this group of about 580 people - and all of them are connected you see and - they killed my Dad 18 years ago he'll tell you with tears in his eyes - and this is ALL he talks about and ALL he thinks about. They killed my Dad for money and the money was ALL supposed to go to just me - not my Mom or my sister or my brother - just me - I was a marked man from the day I was born....Oh and they are poison freaks but I have survived their attacks. Okay so for me what has this meant. Well I am tired beyond belief. And I used to be an energetic light hearted and upbeat individual. I have short term memory issues from the stress. I have probably made half of what I could make in my business because I have spent so much time trying to appease a monster that has an endless appetite and needs all my attention all the time - all the while trying to take care of two children, take care of clients and basically no one takes care of me - certainly not me. I don't exists except as an indentured servant to him primarily. Do not think you are different than me. We might not be the same age, we might have different life circumstances but inside you and me - we are the same. I woke this morning in a sweat - I have not been having very restful sleep lately but I never remember my dreams. Well this time I did. I was dreaming about the upcoming trial and it was a horrible and crazy dream - an "I showed up for my final exam late and naked" kind of thing only this was the trial and I was watching for some reason my college football team testify for him and against me as well as my college boyfriends fraternity of all things (and college was 20 years ago) and the trial was held in a building that had like a dorm attached and I suddenly realised I was in jeans and a dirty shirt and I was supposed to be in "business attire" so I had to run looking for clothes and my boy friend - the one on trial (who at then end of his use before his visits to the psych hospital had come to a place - this meticulous clean man - was now showering once every week or two and dressed in filthy clothes - that person is what the man of my dreams, my true love turned into under the spell of meth) he was dressed to the nines in a suit and looked awesome. But I was the mess. Hows that sound for a future for you? I hope you think it sounds awful and you realize that if you stay with him you are headed here - or your version of here. Where your nightmares are about how great he looks in front of a judge and what a freaking mess you are when in fact - he's the one that created the whole drama. I just stayed and participated and that is on me - that is my fault. My misery and despair are my fault. God, no one ever told me my job in life was to fix him or anyone. Help yes but sacrifice myself and my life on the altar of someone else's drug addiction? Hell at least he enjoyed the high sometimes - for me it has been a stupid fruitless exercise in my own self destruction - my fault 100%. I learned that what keeps people in difficult and painful situations is an unwillingness to admit that they might have made poor choices. I wish I knew who to attribute that to - it's true for me. Good luck Sam - sorry for the novel length reply but you need - NEED - to know this before you keep trying to save what will never be - or at least won't be for years and years and years. Your life is worth more than this. Mine is too. edited to say: Love comes from the heart and to me is not necessarily a choice. Staying is a choice. That was my poor choice and now I have 2-3 years of love and pain to unbury myself from instead of being where you are - I know you think walking away means you won't know how YOUR story with him may have turned out - believe me - all of us here know how it will turn out. Believe us.
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I learned that what keeps people in difficult and painful situations is an unwillingness to admit that they might have made poor choices. How very true that was for me. Not only did I make poor choices in regards to keeping myself spun out of my gourd so as to not face reality, but I had a lifetime pattern of poor choices in men. I had to address both of those issues before my life really started to move forward. Till I did, the only addiction I had truly addressed after rehab was the drugs/alcohol. I was just as addicted to unhealthy relationships. I always clung to their 'potential', that they were misunderstood, that if I just loved them enough, they would change. I am so grateful to be where I am at in my life today |
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Vaporize weed - I'm not sure I've heard THAT before.
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Sam-
I've not posted in this forum before, but I do read what everyone has to say. I'm an ex-user and I've been clean almost a year and half. When I read your story there were so many flags that were telling me he is a classic user. My roommate used to ask me why I was up all night, and I used the aderall excuse many times to try to cover my using. Even if he broke his pipe it was always very easy for me to get another one, because my dealer blew glass. I would assume most of them probably do. The vaporizer excuse is a new one for me too. Being that you don't know much about drugs I'm sure he thought it would work. NOBODY COULD HAVE CARED ENOUGH TO MAKE ME STOP DOING METH. As much as you want to help, it will not do anything but push him further away. Until he is ready to accept responsibility there is nothing you can do! I believe someone else told you that you should just start working on yourself..make yourself busy and really try to move on..maybe in a few years if he ever cleans up things might be able to work out. I wasn't even able to be in a relationship when I was using because I was so non-social. I'm a very talkative and energetic person when I'm not using, and I was the total opposite when I was. You asked how long it takes to recover. I feel like I will always be in recovery. Although I am very sure I will never use again..it's always on the brain. So when he tells you that he keeps the pipe and rock around to remind him not to use or to be strong, that is a very BIG LIE!! I could never have a pipe and meth in my house ever again..the temptation would still be there a year a half later. I'm sure most people would agree. I feel like I used a lifetime ago, but after reading some people relapsing after 3 or 4 years it does kind of scare me. Keeps me reminded of my problem. He needs to lose everything in his life that is important before he will ever admit he has a problem. I hope you find the strength to move on with your life no matter how horrible it seems without him. Stay focused on the kids and if he comes back let him know that you are moving on and you never want to see him again. The more he loses the more he will think about what he is doing. I hope my view will help a little. |
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sam, hugs sorry to hear on what's going on. first off your not to blame for him using at all. you did not point a gun to him and said use meth or I will
shoot. his choice on what he did. he failed to grow with his higher power.its hard looking someone let alone to meth. I am a meth addict myself and I had to
reach my bottom before I stopped. I had people that loved me and cared about me but that did not stop me from using. I had to loss going to college,my own
company, my home and almost my life until I reached my bottom. everyone's bottom is different but its our bottom no matter how far we go down. I feel your
pain and know his. stay close to your true friends and keep him away for at least until he gets into some kind of program and I would bpt take anything he says
to hart until he has sometime clean and he has done all 12 steps. even then be careful in letting him in your life again.the best thing I could say is let it
go don't push it and be there if he asks for help But do not give him cash but someone to talk to and a friend. just be glad it did not go as far as him
stealing from you or maybe he did your hart.. when I was out using I would go as far as to sell my body for the drug. I did not care much for anything else
just wanted the drug. I did not stop paying my bills and did not loss any job that I had from using. but using was a part of the reson why I lost things. I
would also do what he did to you when I was using. it was everyone else's falt not my own. I had to take care of my elder mother, sister, my even my niece.
I would use then as a reason to pick up the drug again.i use to support them all even in my active addiction I put food my the table paid the bills. oh I had a
bad day I may as well use. oh I had a good day lets use. I had a fight with the person I am seeing my as well pick to. I would use any reason to get out of my
own skin. best wishes
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FYI...to "vaporize weed" -vs- smoking it.
Modern Cannabinoid Consumption... http://www.cannabishealth.com/site/content/view/94/9/ http://www.cannabishealth.com/site/content/view/64/47/
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People that aren't using anymore don't keep drugs around EVER. Getting off drugs isn't about "strong will", it's about changing your
entire life and not having drugs be a part of that new life at all EVER. Oh and you don't experience withdrawal a year later after stopping a drug, and
meth doesn't cause physical dependence like heroin. When people crash off meth they sleep for many hours and some eat a lot during this time. They
basically recharge their batteries and go at it again. Depression and anxiety are experienced by those who have recently stopping using. This guy is a classic
addict, blames everyone and their mother before they will admit they have a problem and they are the problem. Let him go. You don't need a guy that acts
like this regardless of what the underlying issue is. He won't seek help so you can't do anything but let him go. Jamie
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