Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (oaklandathletic) — Sun, 11 May 2008 18:55:56 GMT

I never went to rehab.......I have over 7 years clean.......But I do know that I only have today....Who knows if I will pick up tomorrow....I hoep not but who knows.....I hav e aprogram that I work One Day at a Time....Does rehab work???? It does for some......I just know if I wasn't ready to get clean and sober...I don't care what i tried I would still be using.....I had to let go absolutely.......

Paul

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (TenderheartsKS) — Sun, 11 May 2008 17:52:52 GMT

I'll tell you what matters to me. Rehab saved my hide, and got me started on the road to recovery. I'm proud to be a recovering addict, and in that 2% that some of you chose to believe

Tomorrow is my 50th birthday, and I now have over 17 1/2 years clean/sober. If that isn't defying the 'odds' and presenting evidence of a loving God in my life, then I don't know what is!

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (skeeter) — Sun, 11 May 2008 12:26:16 GMT

Sfj wrote:

To Skeeter,

I hope that things work better for you, but may I ask a few questions ?

I think your intentions are good and that you are looking out for the best interests of

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (luvepiphany) — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:23:51 GMT
Yes, I still believe that every speck of recovery education and exposure, the better, but I know of quite a few living breathing(still) meth addicts that have been trough more than at least 3 tries in rehabs of different kinds so to me,
it still sticks that the addict Has to Want to Quit.

I think it's really all about not having any expectations of the addict-NONE. Then, whatever good happens is a miracle and if they continue to use then it's always still possible they...

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (Loraura) — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:49:45 GMT
"The best an external force can hope for is to effect change, not make change."

I disagree again. I think you had it right when you said "you can teach me how (treatment?)".

Yes, a person has to participate in their own recovery and take action. Treatment will not force someone well. But sometimes the actions required to get and stay well would simply NEVER come to mind or be acted on without treatment teaching them and making suggestions.

I...

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (luvepiphany) — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:23:32 GMT
Good Luck and God Bless ANy and Every meth addict who actually

WANTS TO GET CLEAN AND RECOVER

whatever way you do it.

Nothing is going to work regardless of statistics or professional opinions
if the addict isn't ready to recover

that's what sucks for the loved ones....

luv

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (phoenix) — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:10:45 GMT
"if it's not a disease than it must be a behavior, and no amount of treatment can fix a behavior."

"I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement."

What I meant was that to change my behaviors, I must change them....you can teach me how (treatment?), but I must do it myself, the change must come from within. The best an external force can hope for is to effect change, not make change.

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (phoenix) — Wed, 07 May 2008 13:53:19 GMT
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to be be sensing a rather strong current of anti-treatment coming from various posts on this forum."

I would not say that I am "anti-treatment", it's more like I just don't think that rehab is all that it's cracked up to be. When people spend thousands of dollars on something that is marketed as "treatment" than they are going to expect results, and I think that the industry helps promote a lot of...

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (keepitsimpleforme) — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:31:55 GMT

I don't want to hurt your feelings or make you mad --- but ALL the recovering addicts I know --- who have some good SOBRIETY (not just abstaining) --- tell me they ARE addicts. They're differant than everyone else. They can't drink or do drugs. NOTHING. Because they're addicts and they cannot control it. It will lead them back to hell.

Just my $0.02.

I don't think addict is a "bad...

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (keepitsimpleforme) — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:14:18 GMT

I've been busy at work and hadn't seen this reply.

The rehab he is going to is a Christian home for men. It is not co-ed. He was there in 2006 also. I went to visit every weekend he was there. It is a wonderful place. They go to classes and church 24/7. I assure you it is strictly run and by Christian people who actually really do care.

I'm sorry you are so jaded. I also respectfully disagree with...

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (Loraura) — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:11:56 GMT
"if it's not a disease than it must be a behavior, and no amount of treatment can fix a behavior."

I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement.

Disregarding the definition of disease entirely, treatment can change behavior.

Does it change it in the way we desire 100% of the time? No.

Does it sometimes change it enough to make a positive impact on the quality of life? Yes.

Many, MANY medical treatments are undergone without a...

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (Hurting for YOU) — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:10:56 GMT

Maybe the question shouldn't be limited to rehab in general, but rather good rehabs versus bad rehabs.

There are probably many different opinions of what works or worked for one to become clean. That is because there are many different people that make this world go round.

If my goal is to become a millionaire, and I earn $999,999.99,
but fall a penny short of reaching my goal, by your definition I'm a failure.

Well, oK.

The brutal tyranny of absolutes, without any grey area works for some people.

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (Sfj) — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:43:38 GMT
If a person has cancer, then has the cancer completly removed, it might be called successful..
But the cancer can, and often does, return at a later date.

That does not mean that treatment in the first place was not successful.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to be be sensing a rather strong current of anti-treatment coming from various posts on this forum.

What's with that?

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (phoenix) — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:39:45 GMT
The pickle and the cucumber thing? I'm not an addict anymore, so just because I can't be a cucumber anymore doesn't mean I'm stuck with being a pickle either. That's a corner that the disease THEORY paints us into and if that's what it's selling, well, I just ain't buying.

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (phoenix) — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:29:29 GMT
SFJ,

Most people would say that unless you remove all the cancer than your treatment failed. Sure you can have some success along the way, but ultimately, close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.

But the comparison may not be a fair one anyway, because there is no proof that addiction is a disease, and if it's not a disease than it must be a behavior, and no amount of treatment can fix a behavior. But there sure are a lot of people who make their living (...

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (Sfj) — Wed, 07 May 2008 10:41:51 GMT

To inkolb,

I don't know what rehabs are cracked up to be from where you are.

Maybe you could explain a little more please.

Also, I don't understand what you meant when you said

"a very good man was brought back in."

Was the man a counselor? Or a client? or an administrator or ?

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (Loraura) — Wed, 07 May 2008 09:48:28 GMT
Sexual encounters may occur anywhere where the newly abstinent individual looks to a sexual encounter for relief from current feelings.

But rehabs don't foster that environment. In fact, to my knowledge, most specifically forbid it, and consider it cause for removal from the program if caught.

So, does it happen? Sure, it does.

Is it caused by the rehab? No.

Can it be completely prevented by the rehab? No.

Last time I checked, the only...

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (luvepiphany) — Wed, 07 May 2008 09:25:26 GMT
skeeter, I understand. It takes IMMENSE INNER STRUGGLE AND WORK to
get to that place where
it we might be able to possibly
accept some very ugly realities
of the world of meth addiction.

It ain't pretty.

The recovering addicts are BEAUTIFUL and MIRACULOUS
but the people we know here are so Exceptional.

They are not the norm. There are probably many many like them
who haven't found an outlet to share
but still it's...

Re: There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (inkolb) — Tue, 06 May 2008 23:58:00 GMT
the orgies happened at my rehab too.... even while i was in rehab a very good man was brought back in while i was there...it broke me in half...i was trying to get out of the abyss. but i am in germany so i may not be included. rehabs are not what they are cracked up to be. such a small precentage works.

There is talk of rehab

feeds@yuku.com (keepitsimpleforme) — Mon, 05 May 2008 10:57:35 GMT
Well, I had a good weekend. I tried not to obsess about him and worry. He did call Saturday and I answered. I know, I know. I just always have that tiny hope that THIS call will be "the one". The one where he tells me he knows how bad it has gotten and he's going to stop. Sadly, that wasn't the case. I was shopping at Walmart with my kids. He called to tell me his car was getting rained in because his driver's side window is gone. I just told him I was sorry....